Right, I just watched the movie Deal (thanks to scrrfc for upping the movie by the way)

Im sure most of you on the site have probably seen the film but i wont go into great detail incase someone hasnt watched it. What I'm curious about is the kid had the nuts but folded even though he called the other guy's all-in and he then mucked his hand.

I know the general rule is that if you mucked your hand it doesn't count. However, since it was in a tournament (where an all-in call is made usually the players flip over their cards) would it still be legal for him to do so or would that be considered collusion as he is letting him win?

I know in the film that they never saw the kids hole cards during the final hand but say the commentators did see their hands and then saw the winning hand being mucked liked that, what would happen?

Yeah he did. Thanks for that.

They did that in Lucky You as well -- total chip dump cheat.

When called on the end you are normally allowed to muck your hand if you know you are beat, conseading the hand to your opponent.

However the other players (even if they have already folded) at the table do have the right to ask to see the hand that was mucked.

It is considered bad eitiqute to ask to see the hand that was mucked.

Watch out when you call someone and they say "take it" without showing their hand, there are a couple of ways that slime's like to angle shoot with this.

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assholes will definitely use it against an unsophisticated player

I've seen it used against professional players and amateurs alike.  If you sit at a poker table thinking that your too 'sophisticated' to be caught out by an angle shooter then you are probably the ideal target for an opertunistic and sophisticated angle shooter.

I very recently got caught out by a guy that seemed pretty straight, but when a very momentary opertunity occured he was quick enough and convincing enough to throw a good angle shot.  It would be easy to be angry about it, but part of me admires his mental agility and perfect timing.

Is Deal the movie with Burt Reynolds?

If so, the scenario in "Deal" occurred when the players were heads up, thereby making an act of collusion pretty much irrelevant.

Though, in a live tournament once your cards hit the muck they're usually considered dead. There have been rare occurrences where someone has folded their hand only to be shown a 2nd best hand and they were able to retrieve their cards from the muck. For instance, a player in the SB bluffs on the river in a heads up pot with pocket deuces and is instantly called by the player last to act. He mucks his hand and the caller shows ace high. There have been instances where the SB's cards were either not touching the muck or easily identifiable and still ruled as a live hand. Personally, in said scenario, I think that the SB's hand should be considered dead as his intention to muck was obvious, but there are some floormen and tournament directors who say otherwise.