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Posted at 2010-03-02 17:50:46 GMT (21 wks ago)

One Pair

Registered: 2010-03-01
Uploaded: 814.39 MB
Downloaded: 13.06 GB
Points: 1.5
Posts: 3

Ratio: 0.06
Location: unknown

Hi,

I'm new here,only spent a few hours at the site so far. Started downloading a 1.9GB file (25% done)and also a 7,9GB freeleech file (just started).
Now I see a red warning sign flashing, threatening that I will be banned if I don't maintain a ratio of 2,5.
I'm all for ratios, but I have to start somewhere to be able to seed, don't I?
Do I have to stop downloading the 1.9GB file or can I risk finishing it?
How much time do I have to get my ratio up?

(I also posted this in the section about ratios, but there seems to be very little traffic, hoped to get info quicker here)

tankgirl

Posted at 2010-03-02 18:07:03 GMT (21 wks ago)

Three of a Kind

Registered: 2009-07-18
Uploaded: 76.54 GB
Downloaded: 145.92 GB
Points: 199.2
Posts: 44

Ratio: 0.52
Location: United Kingdom

I don't know the answer to this, but I have similar issues.

There seems to be too many seeders. All the files have a great ratio, and I can't seem to seed anywhere near the 1mb+ I can dl..

scrrfc

Posted at 2010-03-02 21:04:26 GMT (21 wks ago)

Straight Flush
Content Admin

Registered: 2007-12-14
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4599.4
Posts: 631

Ratio: 18.20
Location: United Kingdom

Quote:

i answered you other post

tankgirl use some freeleech torrents as peeps will download these are there are free to your ratio
free DL but UL credits your account

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may the cards flop your way

peabody

Posted at 2010-03-03 00:36:07 GMT (21 wks ago)

Full House

Registered: 2009-11-07
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4.5
Posts: 252

Ratio: 6.08
Location: United States of America

I've gone into this many times before in these forums but this obsession with ratios is upsurd and drags this whole poker community down. There aren't enough torrents, freeleech or otherwise, for everyone to have an acceptable ratio. For every person with a ratio above 1:1 means that there is going to be someone with a ratio below 1:1. It's simple math.
Yet we endlessly point fingers at each other and get into these ridiculous "mines bigger than your's arguments" when we should not only be sharing our torrents but our thoughts and friendships.
How many times in these forums has someone made a comment that someone else didn't like and instead of making an argument to present their own side, they tell the other person they don't have any right to speak because their ratio isn't high enough. And often this statement is made with real hatred. We've all seen this.
In the world of psychology it's considered a fact that if you tell some people that they are better than other people around them in some way, a kind of caste system quickly develops where people work less cooperatively and more adversarily.
These ratios are slowly turning an otherwise warm and helpful poker community into a disfunctional family. And for what purpose? Are people really having such a hard time downloading torrents?
Pokerbay certainly isn't my site of choice but at least they had the good sense to drop their ratio requirememts.

scrrfc

Posted at 2010-03-03 00:45:16 GMT (21 wks ago)

Straight Flush
Content Admin

Registered: 2007-12-14
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4599.4
Posts: 631

Ratio: 18.20
Location: United Kingdom

for your attention it still doesnt say anything about free ratios in thier rules
it does say
•Low ratios may result in severe consequences, including banning in extreme cases.

but i agree with nealy everything you said

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may the cards flop your way

Cravnmrhead

Posted at 2010-03-03 01:19:28 GMT (21 wks ago)

Full House
Stacked

Registered: 2009-02-17
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 111.8
Posts: 228

Ratio: 6.06
Location: United States of America

.25 ratio is really not asking much from users... just seed... seed... seed... seed... not sure how many times I should say it... I mean my port fowarding is messed up (hard to connect) but I still was able to break the .25 barrier... you just joined the site so I'm sure you will be fine

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Welcome to the United Snakes... land of the thief... home of the slave

rnawrocki

Posted at 2010-03-03 01:40:09 GMT (21 wks ago)

Four of a Kind

Registered: 2009-05-20
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4218.2
Posts: 55

Ratio: 12.27
Location: unknown

@peabody
you're right in some spots and you're wrong in others...

You know my opinion in ratio subject, because I wrote my opinions few times before. So there is no point to repeat myself, but let me write some thoughts about some of your arguments...

I didn't ever thought about ratio system as some kind of class system or any kind way of pointing that someone is better from another. You're right that it should be sharing and friendly community, but thing is when I see a guy with 0.08 ratio or something similar, I can assure you that he's not sharing at all - he's only taking what he wants and asking for more. And it turns out that suddenly whole stuff is all over the web, and it brings a lot of unnecessary attention to this site.

You all can say what you want about me and my attitude to others, but when someone is not contributing to the community at all, i'm still claiming that we don't need him.

And about whole "keeping ratio" stuff. You right about your math, but that's why there is 0,5 ratio rule and I dont have anything against people who have 0,3-0,4 and have problems with seeding, but if someone have less than 0,15 i can bet that he shuts uTorrent one second after downloading stuff and open again when something new came out.

So when you're saying about hatred or some ridiculous arguing, I am against all of that, but I'm also against people who can't take a single effort to be a part of this community.

P.S. I haven't some big advice about keeping ratio, but my UL speed is 1/10 of DL speed, so it can be done, just keep program open when you're not downloading, for example when you watch a movie or play poker.

peabody

Posted at 2010-03-03 01:51:55 GMT (21 wks ago)

Full House

Registered: 2009-11-07
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4.5
Posts: 252

Ratio: 6.08
Location: United States of America

Actually I haven't just joined the site, I've been on the site a long time. Some of my registration info was damaged in the Great Crash of '09. I've actually uploaded a lot more than my stats reflect and I've lost about 8,000 points through various crashes. A lot of people here have lost both points and ratio through technical difficulties.
Obviously I couldn't care in the least about any of that for me. But it does pose the question of how people would react if through another crash they lose some or all of their hard fought ratios.

Last edited by on 2010-03-03 02:00:52

rnawrocki

Posted at 2010-03-03 02:02:48 GMT (21 wks ago)

Four of a Kind

Registered: 2009-05-20
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4218.2
Posts: 55

Ratio: 12.27
Location: unknown

Yeah, but if someone maintain decent ratio before, it's just matter of time when he will be fine again.

And to finally shut down this endless topic, think about it from the other side, if there weren't any annoying leechers asking for every new stuff or begging for registration to freeroll, it would be really calm and peaceful forum

peabody

Posted at 2010-03-03 02:13:42 GMT (21 wks ago)

Full House

Registered: 2009-11-07
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4.5
Posts: 252

Ratio: 6.08
Location: United States of America

That hardly shuts down the topic. Your post demonstrates exactly why this ratio thing is so devisive. Let's stop referring to other members as annoying.

Last edited by on 2010-03-03 02:22:19

rnawrocki

Posted at 2010-03-03 02:20:37 GMT (21 wks ago)

Four of a Kind

Registered: 2009-05-20
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4218.2
Posts: 55

Ratio: 12.27
Location: unknown

People who came here only to take what they want with disregard to existing rules are annoying for me. I don't care if you have problem with that.

peabody

Posted at 2010-03-03 02:28:57 GMT (21 wks ago)

Full House

Registered: 2009-11-07
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4.5
Posts: 252

Ratio: 6.08
Location: United States of America

Then let's change the rules so you can stop being annoyed.

rnawrocki

Posted at 2010-03-03 02:39:47 GMT (21 wks ago)

Four of a Kind

Registered: 2009-05-20
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4218.2
Posts: 55

Ratio: 12.27
Location: unknown

Yeah, and let's change poker rules to allow cheating, because cheaters are annoying me too...

Rules are fine and not so hard to abide if someone want to do it.

peabody

Posted at 2010-03-03 02:45:13 GMT (21 wks ago)

Full House

Registered: 2009-11-07
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4.5
Posts: 252

Ratio: 6.08
Location: United States of America

That's a really bad analogy.

rnawrocki

Posted at 2010-03-03 02:50:01 GMT (21 wks ago)

Four of a Kind

Registered: 2009-05-20
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4218.2
Posts: 55

Ratio: 12.27
Location: unknown

why? it seems like difference between you and me is that you don't care if someone break the rules... or maybe any rules is your problem?

scrrfc

Posted at 2010-03-03 03:23:47 GMT (21 wks ago)

Straight Flush
Content Admin

Registered: 2007-12-14
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4599.4
Posts: 631

Ratio: 18.20
Location: United Kingdom

now now peeps

i once was told that rules are there to be broken
but...thats why we have mods to deal with it

but feel free to raise your opinions in this forum post
http://www.bestpokertorrents.com/poker-forum/topic/587/Ratios

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may the cards flop your way

FighterX

Posted at 2010-04-05 05:44:06 GMT (16 wks ago)

Straight

Registered: 0000-00-00
Uploaded: 22.68 GB
Downloaded: 17.60 GB
Points: 25.5
Posts: 38

Ratio: 1.29
Location: United States of America

peabody is throwing a fit over nothing.

peabody

Posted at 2010-04-05 07:31:19 GMT (16 wks ago)

Full House

Registered: 2009-11-07
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 4.5
Posts: 252

Ratio: 6.08
Location: United States of America

Fighterx, I'm hardly throwing a fit. I can see from your other posts that you are exactly what I'm talking about; someone who points fingers at other people for having low ratios. Seems like you're the one throwing fits over nothing; policing ratios are the moderators job, not yours.

FighterX

Posted at 2010-06-21 03:25:38 GMT (5 wks ago)

Straight

Registered: 0000-00-00
Uploaded: 22.68 GB
Downloaded: 17.60 GB
Points: 25.5
Posts: 38

Ratio: 1.29
Location: United States of America

I will only point fingers if it's blatently obvious that the person really never bothers to contribute. I won't say anything about a person with say 0.25, 0.30, 0.45, or 0.5. For the record, I only pointed to ONE guy.

Anything much below 0.25 is just absurd. It's not even right to have leechers like this because it drags down speeds, and ruins the torrent community. I don't like to be the ratio police, but come on, even you know that is horrible.

I retract that "throwing a fit" part since we're both just expressing what we think anyways.

I will qualify your argument on how others think bigger ratios make them better people. This is simply not true and I agree on that for the most part.

The REAL issue however, is not about supremacy! It is about contributing and giving back for once even if it takes the effort of a mouse click.

I mean, freeleech torrents have been up for a while too, so this is the solution.

Last edited by on 2010-06-21 03:33:27

sword555

Posted at 2010-06-21 04:06:46 GMT (5 wks ago)

Full House

Registered: 2010-02-20
Uploaded: ---
Downloaded: ---
Points: 545
Posts: 84

Ratio: 6.63
Location: Sweden

I think it's perfectly OK to have a low ratio for some time when a new member just starts out. Hopefully their ratio will improve over time, as they are sharing back what they've got.

But. I often feel very strange when I upload something requested (say some DC stuff) and then I either get PMs or requests in the torrent comments/shoutbox to upload more stuff, this and that, specifically, and I can see the guy has a ratio of 0.05. Or 0.17.

I don't think I ever pointed at anyone that they "don't have the right to speak" because of their ratios, just as I said, I feel strange. The ratio does not imply any kind of superiority/inferiority/more or less rights at all, but I think it is a measure of the attitude, to a great extent. It is all about sharing. I give you guys what I have, and you share what you have. Either UL new stuff or share it back to others.

Someone with 0.05 is not sharing. I don't know how I achieved this ratio (joined in February) when the client runs on a virtual computer, way not 24/7, I am behind a firewall and despite my port forwarding attempts, often I am not connectable unless I force the connection manually ("forced seeding". At least I tried..

Uff, I spoke.

Last edited by on 2010-06-21 04:16:55

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